Life Of Crime
Who'll Take Part In Madeleine Reconstruction?
May 15, 2008

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By Crime correspondent Martin Brunt

Will they, won't they go to back to Praia da Luz for the reconstruction?

A call from Portugal tells me the McCanns' lawyer has said the couple are now prepared to take part in a re-enactment of the night Madeleine disappeared.

But the McCanns' spokesman, Clarence, says they are still considering the "request" from the Portuguese police and their legal man in Lisbon has been misquoted.

They still want their arguido status lifted, but would go back if ordered to.

Anything to help the investigation, he says.

But if they have a choice, they don't see the point in a reconstruction that would not be televised as an appeal for information.

He says the detectives turned down that idea months ago.

And, says a friend, no one has bothered to consider the emotional impact on Kate who would find it difficult to watch a young girl playing her missing daughter.

It's unlikely to happen unless everyone agrees to return, including the Tapas 7, some of whom have reservations after twice being quizzed over the events of that night.

Apparently, a third date for the reconstruction has been scheduled, but what's the point if the protagonists are not there?

It was to have been before the year's anniversary, then this week, now the May 30.

Written by Martin, May 15, 2008

Comments

"Sian you seem to have some weird and wonderful ideas of how things work, are you watching too much NCIS/CSI or Boston Legal maybe? LOL..

Posted by: Steve, Cheshire 2 Jun 2008 13:08:19

Is this a fact steve???

Posted by: sian 9 Jun 2008 10:58:02"


Yes it is, no way would a secret Government Satellite be covering PDL unless there was a covert Taleban Cell or something else that would interest the military/security services there...get real.

There is that much hot air coming from S Wales I would be surprised if it could see anything through the Clouds of Steam;-)


Sian you seem to have some weird and wonderful ideas of how things work, are you watching too much NCIS/CSI or Boston Legal maybe? LOL..

Posted by: Steve, Cheshire 2 Jun 2008 13:08:19

Is this a fact steve???


Posted by: AMANDA SOUTH AFRICA 3 Jun 2008 14:43:19

exactly amanda

all this said evedance and pj continue to blame the maccanns
quite sickening in it


What ever happened to the plastic bag with clothes and a shower curtain they found next to the road near the Lagos Airport ? Maybe it was the abductor self who brought in this bag, have the police questioned that person again and if it ( bag ) was handled or picked up by that person, did they trace his / her fingerprints on the bag as well and did it not maybe match with the DNA they found on the clothes. They said there were 60 different stains on the jeans, what sort of stains ? Was it blood, milkshake or food, maybe she peed in her pants or her stomach had to go, was it an adult jeans or a child jeans.? What size ? That lady that said she saw Madeleine at a petrol station with 2 men and a woman, did she say what clothes that child had on, was she well dressed, did she look clean, was her hair short already or was it still long ? Not in 1 news paper was that ever mentioned ! Those people who took photos of other children before Maddie went missing, were they ever seen in Portugal again after Maddie went missing ? Did that father who chased them away give a description of their faces ? No, also not mentined in 1 newspaper. We, the world needs those answers and maybe descriptions of those peoples faces. It can be your next door neighbour on 1 of those descriptions. COME ON PAPERS, GET HOLD OF THOSE DESCRIPTIONS AND ALL THE OTHER QUESTIONS I AM ASKING !!!!


Sian you seem to have some weird and wonderful ideas of how things work, are you watching too much NCIS/CSI or Boston Legal maybe? LOL..


A maid who is alleged to have abducted Madeleine McCann in revenge for being sacked from the holiday resort where the madeline was staying is being investigated by Portuguese police.

The identity of the maid was e-mailed to the official website of the Prince of Wales,the police have now discovered that the email appeared to have been sent from a computer with an ip address in the iberian-peninsula.


Portuguese detectives have already completed checks on members of staff at the Ocean Club complex when Madeleine was reported missing on May 3, and have been attempting to track down former employees.

Other residents of the resort complex claimed that they suspected a member of staff could have been involved in a series of burglaries at the Ocean Club in the weeks before Madeleine disappeared.


hello sara

It has been suggested that the Government agency Jaric and GCHQ would have satelite coverage of the area at the time that Madeline disappeared. This could quite easily be checked and may well show how and with whom she left the apartment that fateful night.(why wasnt it i wonder)
It is my understanding that this would need to be sanctioned by the Prime Minister. Pehapes we should be putting pressure on the Government to ask for this information to be used. It seems to me like a reasonable avenue to explore and one which may lead to the breakthrough that is so desperately needed,to return this innocent child to her parents,brother sister and every one she has brought such joy to.

sian



I will chose to defend and support who i want,just as you chose to abuse who you like...
Some of the garbage you and the others post here is only fit for the cesspit 3a.


Posted by: claire s wales. 29 May 2008 11:14:19

well said claire.

buy the way have you read the section of a nasty pasty blogger on here spitting out the vermin about bloggers on this site.

old saying claire does the sidewinder sleep tonight?moves side to side but not fast at coming forward.

maddness or magical but the liars all tell truth in the end.

sian


Hi sian and claire,I,d like to know whats happened about the 3 people caught on cctv at the garage,also the jovoes going round knocking on doors,also the women hanging around the apartments,also the men hanging around on cctv,also the mystery dna they found in the apartment,to me that mystery dna they found proves maddie was abducted and the parents are inercent,o and i forgot the mystery man in the playground.

Posted by: sara,uk 29 May 2008 20:23:32

hello sara

sorry never got back to you earlier,as i said before i think this information released about kate and gerry is yet again smokescrean.

was the information released by pj,on any video footage or is it just say so,released by press,id like to read confirmation of this.

Also sara,the man on the photo is a police man there is photos released of him showing his badge.

i fully support the cctv footage of madeline,and i believe this evidance was played down by pj.

i dont think we heared the end of this case,but trust me expect a bomb shell.

try work out this.

cr,mr,cs.A5.

best wishes freind.

try to catch me up on another forum.



Hi sian and claire,I,d like to know whats happened about the 3 people caught on cctv at the garage,also the jovoes going round knocking on doors,also the women hanging around the apartments,also the men hanging around on cctv,also the mystery dna they found in the apartment,to me that mystery dna they found proves maddie was abducted and the parents are inercent,o and i forgot the mystery man in the playground.


Sandra Ryan, you go right ahead with your thoughts my friend. I'm all ears. :)

And now, I see we have yet another new blog to move over to......


Hello Hannah 11.15.

That's a really interesting point you have brought up there Hannah.

And I have a couple of ideas about that but I will be polite and wait until Brit and A. Miller have answered first this time.

Regards.

Sandra Ryan.


Sandra Ryan,
Hope you're chipper,

Lots of discussion on 10th Tapas over on the other place, which could be to do with your question about 'normal'. (It's buzzing over there - nearly a thousand on at lunchtime!)

As for the other 'Tapas' I won't say on here what sort of people I think they are.
Everyone is drawing their own (correct)conclusions.


The course of this was never 'normal, you're right, and Martin blaming the snail's pace on the Portuguese alone was unfair,
and very simplistic I thought.

I notice that a few unpleasant words have made their way into the British newspapers today - such as manslaughter, abandonment and disposal of a body.

Where's Clarence??

Cheers, Debbie.

----------------------------

Hello A.Miller,

Re. no-show at reconstruction - as Albert Kirby so succinctly put it, 'it looks very, very bad.'

There's no excuse - I'm not sure even Mr Mithell can spin his way out of it!

But it could be a turning point I feel, so that even though it didn't happen, we're nearer to the truth than we were before.

Regards, Debbie.


Posted by: A.Miller 29 May 2008 10:52:22

A.Miller

As I read from bottom to top I usually skip your posts. But I usually stop when I see my name as adressee. So here I am.

If I'm not mistaken, it was Catherine who in first place expressed feelings about the discepancies between statements' contradictions or discrepancies. In my own words I believe that all 9 adults were relaxing on holidays no worries timetables or plans. Only natural that one sees something another one does not, a third one recalls something else differently from all the others. I have no problems whatsoever about so called contradictions. And this applies to the 'environmental' witnesses as well.

Theoratically, the police may decide to do whatever they deem necessary whenever they deem necessary. But that's in my humble opinion only theoratically. Something they seem so keen as to 'iron' discrepancies only ONE year after the start of their investigation when they had ample time and opportunity to do it earlier better and in an easier way is not the kind of thing that I would acknowledge as something to be done whenever they think of it.

Specially, if WITHOUT ironing these discrepancies that they deem so important to iron they formaly accused two of the 9 people involved in the death and concealing of the body of a child, THEIR OWN child.

Now, you ask me if I would or wouldn't cooperate with it for my child's sake. I am a truthful person and I'm not the perfect mother you all seem to be. NO, for my missing daughter's sake I would not cooperate with a masquerade of a reconstruction that would only be used to implicate me in a plot and would fight such a threat with all my forces. I do not trust people who would formally accuse me of doing something when they still didn't make the first move to find truth. Free, in all senses of the word, I can do my best to not leave a stone unturned to find my child. A reconstruction done now or later the way PJ wants or may do will not even touch a stone let alone try to unturn it.

And by the way, the legal authority is not PJ or PJ alone. The prosecutor did not agree with a new inquiry to the McCanns nor the reconstruction, or it would have happened no matter what. And the prosecutor is PART of the legal authority, the part to which PJ reports to.


yes maria and blue waters lol ex mirror forum banned from everywhere except a3........

Posted by: sian 29 May 2008 11:07:51

hi sian read romigen blue waters is also on there also look at the map,it means im here im lost!


No matter who is guilty or who has been negligent. Because there is no answer its them trying to blame us and us tryibg to blame them. We need to blame someone, this cannot go unpunished.

Madeleine, Sweet innocent child. You would not be in this predicament if it was not for your parents.


Posted by: A.Miller 29 May 2008 10:52:22

a miller

the same it was wrong that the police would not let kate and gerry,do a reconstruction last june.

i wonder why hay?

sian


To Brit & A. Miller.

With NORMAL people you would have seen the media jump on this and rushed to the tapas 7 homes all wanting the front page story of who would or wouldn't go.

You would have seen the media putting pressure on them to attend.

The media is good at that.

If you were one of the 7 that would go you would make dam sure that the media knew you were one of the 7 willing to go anyway.

One of your family would have leaked to the press that your son, daughter etc etc wasnt one of those refusing to go.

All that and much more is what NORMAL people and what the media would NORMALLY do.

So excuse me for thinking that none of them ever intended to go at all.

Not 3 will 4 wont, total rubbish.

So what is it that's wrong and so different from the NORMAL in this case and why?

Kind Regards.

Sandra Ryan.


Posted by: maria, in portugal 29 May 2008 08:46:40

yes maria and blue waters lol ex mirror forum banned from everywhere except a3........

Posted by: sian 29 May 2008 11:07:51

and not forgetting the pj,with their false leekes.

for some reason,i believe there is something else going on,behind the scenes not sure what.


29.05.2008

Investigators wanted to confuse the 10th Latin American and Caribbean "Tapas"

"The refusal of access to the content of messages received by Gerry McCann before and after the disappearance of her daughter Madeleine, or the refusal of nine Tapas return to Portugal, will not prevent the inspectors to make progress in their investigation," said an official of the Judicial Police yesterday after the disclosure of the Tribunal's decision on the Relation of Evora.

According to the same source, with access to the content of messages received by Gerry McCann, "the investigators wanted to confuse a character still in the dark but that the police knew to be linked to the case."

Some inspectors even speak of 10th Tapas.

The existence of a tenth character, known Gerry and Kate McCann, is a fact also supported the United Kingdom where a member of the Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) has confirmed that "officers were sent to Portugal same suggested a few possibilities among the British who live permanently in the Algarve region. "

Yesterday, a Court of the Relation of Evora came to support the decision of the magistrate criminal Portimão, Pedro Frias, had banned the access of investigators from the Police Judiciaire the content of written messages (SMS) received by Gerry McCann.

According to the document, the father of Madeleine McCann has received 14 written messages on May 2, the day before the disappearance of her daughter, from a phone number officially unidentified. The same laptop is at the root of 4 other messages that Gerry McCann received after the disappearance.

Gerry and Kate McCann have always refused to disclose to investigators the content of messages, that has not prevented the police to obtain this information.

It is the use of the contents of this information, especially in a trial, which is questioned by the decision of the criminal magistrate.

According to the same document, the first stop of Justice publicly disclosed so far, investigations of the Judicial Police, following the disappearance of Madeleine, doing well on the possibility of crimes of abandonment, endangerment, murder and concealment of a corpse.

As a reminder, the Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) and Leicestershire police have cooperated in the investigation of the Portuguese authorities, as was confirmed Patricia Scotland, Minister of State and Attorney General for England and Wales.

If the judge's decision prevents the use of donated prior to the disappearance of Madeleine, it has not prevented investigators to take note of calls and inspectors to know who talked to whom.

The men of Gonçalo Amaral, now replaced by the inspector Paulo Rebelo, also had the opportunity to conduct wiretaps after the disappearance of Madeleine and while the couple and his friends were in Portugal. Once the couple and his friends returned to the United Kingdom, PJ British authorities expected the continuation of work but it is still uncertain whether all the information could be provided.

According to the interpretation given by the magistrate Criminal Tribunal 1 ª Portimão instance, Pedro Frias, the Portuguese law, upheld by the Court of the relationship, investigators can only use the data obtained in real time. In practice, it would have taken the investigators have obtained a permit before the disappearance of Madeleine.

Pedro Frias did not refuse the use of or access to all eavesdropping or recording made in connection with the investigation, but it does investigators the right to use the content of SMS sent and received by the McCann couple before May 3, 2007.

The Public Ministry and the Judicial Police also wanted to ask the three operators of mobile telephony exist in Portugal - TMN, Vodafone and Optimus - listings in digital media (CD or DVD) of all communications on the couple and friends for the period April 28 to September 9, 2007.

The urgency of getting the image of a "Tapas seven" united and strong

The announcement by the Office of the Attorney General of the Republic (PGR) cancellation of the reconstruction requested by the Judicial Police, indicating that this decision was the consequence of the refusal of four friends of Madeleine's parents to make their trip back to Praia da Luz, caused a huge outcry requiring Clarence Mitchell to react.

If the cancellation of diligence was not a real surprise, the confirmation of the PGR that there would be four witnesses to refuse to cooperate formally with the Portuguese authorities raises a question: why the other three have they accepted, Unconditionally, to cooperate with the Portuguese authorities?

The question becomes annoying, especially after that information is arriving in the British media, responsible couple communication McCann was quick to say that finally the entire group did not want to return to Portugal ".

Without ever addressing the note Prosecutor's office, the specialist in handling the media sought to justify the decision by the couple McCann and her four friends, wanting at any price calm public opinion and pass the image of a strong and united group against the Portuguese police, forgetting that voluntarily investigating the disappearance of Madeleine is a joint work with the British police.

Translation from S-O-S Maddie.


Hiya Brit, A Miller,

Just thinking along the lines of the friends and whether we are getting the wrong end of the stick about which people are not returning to Portugal.
Who, in reality, did the PJ want back in Portugal - all, the McCanns, or the Tapas 7?.
If they want the McCanns back, they have procedures already in place so that they would essentially have to return.
The PJ have already completed 2 reconstructions using the statements, once at the beginning, and again when the investigation team were changed.
We are now aware that the PJ (as suspected) are looking specifically at potential charges for four specific things - abduction, homicide, neglect and concealment. These are the crimes put forward to the court where charges could stem from.
Now, if they still have abduction on the cards logically you would assume that they have a) some evidence pointing to adbuction, and b) the McCanns are not being investigated for it. In a similar vein, if the McCanns had something to do with the homicide, there would have been no abduction.
This leads to me wondering whether it could have been one, some, or all of the Tapas group they wanted back and not the McCanns at all.
We also now seem to be hearing much about the McCanns charges being neglect in the papers/tv today. Now where does that leave us with abduction, homicide and concealment? Perhaps the refusal of four of the Tapas 7 had more to do with 3 crimes left on the table. Could this be the PJ's ultimate aim? It's just something that really doesn't add up, those four crimes don't really fit, certainly not with just the McCanns. Obviously though Murat is still in the picture and any other arguidos we don't know about.


Posted by: Geoff, durham 28 May 2008 17:11:41

Dont forget the bouncy castle freak is also still an arguido geoff.

if the pj had any solid evidence to suggest the mccanns killed madeleine or concealed her accidental death they would have made an arrest by now. And they would have revealed this astonishing evidence to the rest of the world to show how competent they are after the world as previously pointed figures for their failures. They are quick enough leaking smears about the mccanns..

They are not capable of solving this ABDUCTION simply becasue they have no intentions.Instead they are trying to conceal it...and prolong it in the hope it dwindles away.


Jenn...


Im not squirming in my back seat. I have no need to. and if your sick to the back teeth of hearing me defend these people don't read my posts!!!simple as.

I will chose to defend and support who i want,just as you chose to abuse who you like...
Some of the garbage you and the others post here is only fit for the cesspit 3a.



Posted by: sara,uk 28 May 2008 19:32:45

hello sara,

the police have to blame some one,
they have made such a mess of this case.
It makes me wonder,what the the truth is behind all of this but some how i do not think this is the truth!

what do you think.



Source Lusa.

The request in order for the McCanns and the 7 friends to be present in the reconstitution was done in the rogatory letters sent, some months ago, to the United Kingdom. In those documents the diligence was explained and it was guaranteed to all that the expenses would be «in charge of the Portuguese State».


'oh dear bubbles 3a again,must be telling the truth,

bless

sian

Posted by: sian 28 May 2008 09:59:45'

So does 24horas...


Posted by: maria, in portugal 29 May 2008 08:46:40

yes maria and blue waters lol ex mirror forum banned from everywhere except a3........


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